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Samuel Murray 
南非
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| | Clients are not translators :-) | Sep 23 |
Daina Jauntirans wrote:
"Relinquishing" confidentiality is not an option. If you've signed a non-disclosure agreement, you've signed a non-disclosure agreement. |
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Clients typically do not sign non-disclosure agreements with themselves.
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Samuel Murray
南非
Local time: 18:01
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| | A subpoena is a court order | Sep 23 |
Felipe Gútiez wrote:
Anyone knows what is meant by subpoena? |
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A judge or similarly authoritative lawish person signs a piece of paper to make you talk. Basically, a court order. Although I suspect the word "subpoena" may also include orders from other authorities that have override rights. For example, within a single company there may be non-disclosure between departments, but the divisional chief can order intraconfidential information to be revealed.
| On the other hand, generally available to the public. What does it mean exactly? |
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This is the type of thin line that good translators do not walk, and where good translators prefer to err on the side of caution. Even if all data in a text is available to the public, combined they may form intelligence, i.e. confidential facts that can be deduced from the specific ordering of that data.
The decision that information given to us by a client is not confidential, should be the client's decision, and not ours through some sort of clever legal argument.
 
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Nicole Schnell
美国
Local time: 08:01
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Samuel Murray wrote:
Clients are not translators 
Clients typically do not sign non-disclosure agreements with themselves. |
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It's the clients who set up those contracts in the first place and for their own protection.
Certainly not for the purpose to annoy translators.
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Tomás Cano Binder
西班牙
Local time: 17:01
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English英语译成Spanish西班牙语
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| | Protecting IP is promoting advancement | Sep 23 |
Felipe Gútiez wrote:
I know that for all of us there is now law and order. And I have to be respectful with them, but...
Please give me a logical explanation why the patent system and copyright system should be kept in future as they are today. Can you think of new and unexplored possibilities?
THiNK FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Felipe, I already did some days ago but you did not want to hear about it. I repeat it again: protecting IP is the only way to have companies invest in new developments. If we did not have patents and anyone had the right to use another person's inventions, nobody would be willing to publish any invention, and even more, no company would pay a pile of money to invent anything.
The patent system is the reason why you can now enjoy new, better products, and also the reason why you have access to medical products noone could dream of 50 years ago. Ban the patent system, and you are banning development.
Is this logical enough for you Felipe?
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Samuel Murray
南非
Local time: 18:01
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| | Yes, but my point is... | Sep 23 |
Nicole Schnell wrote:
Samuel Murray wrote:
Clients typically do not sign non-disclosure agreements with themselves. |
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It's the clients who set up those contracts in the first place and for their own protection. |
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Yes, but you're missing my point, I think. Forum rules disallow me to tell you how you're missing it, but forum rules do allow me to quote directly, so there it is:
Nicole Schnell wrote:
Samuel Murray wrote:
Daina Jauntirans wrote:
Felipe Gútiez wrote:
Are [companies] prepared to relinquish confidentiality go gain quality and ease of use? |
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"Relinquishing" confidentiality is not an option. |
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Clients typically do not sign non-disclosure agreements with themselves. |
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I agree with what you say in your post, by the way.
[Edited at 2008-09-23 06:36]
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Felipe Gútiez
德国
Local time: 17:01
German德语译成Spanish西班牙语
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Samuel Murray wrote:
Daina Jauntirans wrote:
"Relinquishing" confidentiality is not an option. If you've signed a non-disclosure agreement, you've signed a non-disclosure agreement. |
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Clients typically do not sign non-disclosure agreements with themselves. |
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Sometimes we just want to have right and lose the thread of the conversation....
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Felipe Gútiez
德国
Local time: 17:01
German德语译成Spanish西班牙语
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| | This is just an opinion | Sep 23 |
Tomás Cano Binder wrote:
Felipe Gútiez wrote:
I know that for all of us there is now law and order. And I have to be respectful with them, but...
Please give me a logical explanation why the patent system and copyright system should be kept in future as they are today. Can you think of new and unexplored possibilities?
THiNK FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Felipe, I already did some days ago but you did not want to hear about it. I repeat it again: protecting IP is the only way to have companies invest in new developments. If we did not have patents and anyone had the right to use another person's inventions, nobody would be willing to publish any invention, and even more, no company would pay a pile of money to invent anything.
The patent system is the reason why you can now enjoy new, better products, and also the reason why you have access to medical products noone could dream of 50 years ago. Ban the patent system, and you are banning development.
Is this logical enough for you Felipe? |
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Is this the ONLY way to promote development? I don´t think so.
Has google be created in a big corporation with lots of patents?
Has MS-Dos be created by IBM? Even by Bill Gates?
The answer is NOT AT ALL.
Big corporations only believe in Big corporations.
Development comes from small and medium companies and especially from INDIVIDUALS.
Germany is a good example of this. Most new developments come from small companies, not the big ones. You hear that everyday in the news (the famous MITTELSTAND).
Who can afford to pay a patent? Mostly only big corporations.
On the ohter hand, I am basically not against big corporations, but these are facts.
Many big corporations misuse the patent system. They buy patents and let them die in a drawer for years. Is this development? Is this progress?
Please convince me and I will be for the patent system, but with logical arguments.
And now we have in the world new players, with other systems of thinking: China, India, Brazil, Russia.
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Celia Recarey
西班牙
Local time: 17:01
正式会员 (自2007)
English英语译成Spanish西班牙语
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Tomás Cano Binder
西班牙
Local time: 17:01
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English英语译成Spanish西班牙语
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| | Please make an effort to be informed! | Sep 23 |
Felipe Gútiez wrote:
Has google be created in a big corporation with lots of patents?
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Felipe, honestly. It is so very important that you check your sources and do some research if you want to say anything in public! Honestly it appears to me that you don't have a clue about many things you take for granted!!!!
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Felipe Gútiez
德国
Local time: 17:01
German德语译成Spanish西班牙语
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Tomás Cano Binder wrote:
Felipe Gútiez wrote:
Has google be created in a big corporation with lots of patents?
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Felipe, honestly. It is so very important that you check your sources and do some research if you want to say anything in public! Honestly it appears to me that you don't have a clue about many things you take for granted!!!! |
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http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/
Company Overview
Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful.
As a first step to fulfilling that mission, Google's founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin developed a new approach to online search that took root in a Stanford University dorm room and quickly spread to information seekers around the globe. Google is now widely recognized as the world's largest search engine -- an easy-to-use free service that usually returns relevant results in a fraction of a second.
Is a Stanford Universty dorm room a BIG CORPORATION?
The big ten are also very interesting
http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/tenthings.html
[Editado a las 2008-09-23 10:11]
[Editado a las 2008-09-23 10:12]
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Celia Recarey
西班牙
Local time: 17:01
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English英语译成Spanish西班牙语
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| | Is Microsoft a BIG CORPORATION? | Sep 23 |
I hear it was created in 1975 by two college buddies, are two college buddies a big corporation?
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Tomás Cano Binder
西班牙
Local time: 17:01
正式会员 (自2005)
English英语译成Spanish西班牙语
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Felipe Gútiez wrote:
Company Overview
Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful.
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If you thought that this meant that they don't have and claim patents (they do, and by the hundreds every year), in my opinion you are lacking important information. You can use Google to look for "Google patenta". You'll be surprised!
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Celia Recarey
西班牙
Local time: 17:01
正式会员 (自2007)
English英语译成Spanish西班牙语
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Felipe Gútiez wrote:
http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/
Company Overview
Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful.
As a first step to fulfilling that mission, Google's founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin developed a new approach to online search that took root in a Stanford University dorm room and quickly spread to information seekers around the globe. Google is now widely recognized as the world's largest search engine -- an easy-to-use free service that usually returns relevant results in a fraction of a second.
Is a Stanford Universty dorm room a BIG CORPORATION?
The big ten are also very interesting
http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/tenthings.html
[Editado a las 2008-09-23 10:11]
[Editado a las 2008-09-23 10:12] |
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Apparently that dorm room is getting a bit crowded...
Company Name: Google, Incorporated
Ticker Symbol: GOOG
WWW Address: www.google.com
CEO: Dr. Eric E. Schmidt, Ph.D.
No. of Employees: 16,805
Common Issue Type: CS
Business Description: The Company provides targeted advertising and global internet search solutions as well as intranet solutions via an enterprise search appliance.
http://www.advfn.com/p.php?pid=financials&symbol=NASDAQ%3AGOOG
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Felipe Gútiez
德国
Local time: 17:01
German德语译成Spanish西班牙语
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| | I think it is highly interesting to see how difficult communication is | Sep 23 |
I have learnt a lot in the last month in ProZ.
Thank you you all!!!!!
Do you know the famous Johari window?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_Window
what someone says
what someone wanted to say
what someone wanted to say but he did not know (subconscient)
what others hear
what others listen to
what others think they have listened to
waht others think they have heard
what others wanted to hear
what others wanted to listen
what others understand...
is just not the same thing.
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Tomás Cano Binder
西班牙
Local time: 17:01
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The translation workplace 
