German德语: BittstellerEnglish英语 translation: petitioner, alms seeker  KudoZ The KudoZ network provides a framework for translators ... More  |
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Art/Literary - 历史 / monastery | | German德语词条或短语： Bittsteller | I'm translating a guide for visitors to the ruins of an old monastery. The guided walk starts at the main gate ...
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| | | petitioner, alms seeker | 说明：
also 'those seeking alms' (easier to pronounce).
In the Middle Ages, monasteries dispensed alms (monetary) as well as food and clothing to petitioners, sometmes from the main gate, sometimes from the kitchen gate.
Also, those seeking alms/petitioning for alms would ask those entering the monastery for money. It was considered poor form to enter/leave the monastery as a guest without giving alms to the petitioners, who, because they were allowed to stay at the monastery gate (close to holy ground), were considered the deserving poor.
I'm a medievalist by training, specialized in monastic history. |
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 Rebecca Garber
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| 提问者给回答者的留言I went with alms seeker, since I think this provides the right image. "Petitioner" would probably be the more correct translation, since it has a wider meaning.
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| petitioner, alms seeker
说明：
also 'those seeking alms' (easier to pronounce).
In the Middle Ages, monasteries dispensed alms (monetary) as well as food and clothing to petitioners, sometmes from the main gate, sometimes from the kitchen gate.
Also, those seeking alms/petitioning for alms would ask those entering the monastery for money. It was considered poor form to enter/leave the monastery as a guest without giving alms to the petitioners, who, because they were allowed to stay at the monastery gate (close to holy ground), were considered the deserving poor.
I'm a medievalist by training, specialized in monastic history.
| | 提问者给回答者的留言| I went with alms seeker, since I think this provides the right image. "Petitioner" would probably be the more correct translation, since it has a wider meaning. |
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| petitioners
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A polite word for beggars. ;-)
No reference - but this is in a personal glossary of mine. Perhaps you can see if it applies in your contect.
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Note added at 14 mins (2007-06-01 15:11:22 GMT)
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By the time he was 30, Pierre was a civil servant whose job was to act as a link between petitioners from Toulouse to the King of France and an enforcer of royal decrees
http://www.math.wichita.edu/history/men/fermat.html
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Note added at 28 mins (2007-06-01 15:25:45 GMT)
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He crawled past the petitioners at the Gates so as to avoid detection
http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=49230
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| petitioner, solicitor, addresser, suitor, supplicant
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according to my 1891 Flüglers German-English dictionary. Grimm="rogator"
Duden = " jmd., der mündlich od. schriftlich eine Bitte um Hilfe o.Ä. vorbringt: Er wusste nicht recht, wohin mit den Händen er war hier B. (H.Weber, Einzug 390)."
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-06-01 16:09:40 GMT)
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1905 Muret-Sanders = "hanger-on"
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| supplicant
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Don't know what else it could be..
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I would suggest 'supplicant' includes petitioners seeking favours and beggars seeking alms, and thus serves as a catch-all. A beggar or alms-seeker is hardly a petitioner and a petitioner is hardly a beggar. Petitioners also sought aid for 'legal' claims...
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