Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
abouti dans la douleur
English translation:
laboriously hammered out
Added to glossary by
Sheila Wilson
Feb 3, 2008 11:34
16 yrs ago
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French term
Spain
20 years producing 100% natural English
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: English, French to English
abouti dans la douleur
French to English
Social Sciences
Environment & Ecology
Climate change conference
Article relating to the UN climate change conference at Bali:
10 ans après la signature des accords de Kyoto par les 38 pays participants, avec une mise en place difficile et pourtant modeste de l’accord de baisse de 5% des émissions de gaz à effet de serre, la conférence de Bali a *** abouti dans la douleur *** à un principe de responsabilité commune signé par les participants , y compris par les Etats-Unis qui avaient rejeté Kyoto.
There's a previous Kudoz question in an IT context about updating systems 'dans la douleur', but I need something to give the idea of all the delegates battling it out at 3 in the morning, having to compromise etc etc
10 ans après la signature des accords de Kyoto par les 38 pays participants, avec une mise en place difficile et pourtant modeste de l’accord de baisse de 5% des émissions de gaz à effet de serre, la conférence de Bali a *** abouti dans la douleur *** à un principe de responsabilité commune signé par les participants , y compris par les Etats-Unis qui avaient rejeté Kyoto.
There's a previous Kudoz question in an IT context about updating systems 'dans la douleur', but I need something to give the idea of all the delegates battling it out at 3 in the morning, having to compromise etc etc
Proposed translations
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Oct 5, 2008 19:38: Sheila Wilson Created KOG entry
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14 hrs
Paul Cohen
Greenland
Greenland
Native in English
Works in field
Greenland
Will work for blubber
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English, Danish to English
Related KudoZ points
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laboriously hammered out / finally managed to hammer out
Difficult agreements, proposals, deals, etc. are "hammered out". I see no reason why you can't talk about delegates hammering out a principle that everyone supports.
... the Bali climate conference (finally) laboriously hammered out a principle of joint responsibility...
Or:
... the Bali climate conference finally managed to hammer out a principle of joint responsibility...
"The ***proposal, hammered out*** after months of negotiations, was unveiled with fanfare at the Capitol by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and a bipartisan group that included Florida Republican Sen. Mel Martinez. Martinez was part of the closed-door deal-making and pronounced himself "thrilled and delighted" with the compromise."
http://www.ooga.org/PDFs/Website News articles/senate approv...
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress would act on the ***agreement -- hammered out*** in a week of intense negotiations with Republican Leader John A. Boehner and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson..."
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/24012008/323/congress-unveils-econom...
"Lebanon welcomed on Saturday a ***deal hammered out*** after weeks of deadlock between Syria and the United Nations for five top Syrian officials to be questioned in Vienna over the killing of ex-premier Rafiq Hariri."
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/mi...
... the Bali climate conference (finally) laboriously hammered out a principle of joint responsibility...
Or:
... the Bali climate conference finally managed to hammer out a principle of joint responsibility...
"The ***proposal, hammered out*** after months of negotiations, was unveiled with fanfare at the Capitol by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and a bipartisan group that included Florida Republican Sen. Mel Martinez. Martinez was part of the closed-door deal-making and pronounced himself "thrilled and delighted" with the compromise."
http://www.ooga.org/PDFs/Website News articles/senate approv...
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress would act on the ***agreement -- hammered out*** in a week of intense negotiations with Republican Leader John A. Boehner and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson..."
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/24012008/323/congress-unveils-econom...
"Lebanon welcomed on Saturday a ***deal hammered out*** after weeks of deadlock between Syria and the United Nations for five top Syrian officials to be questioned in Vienna over the killing of ex-premier Rafiq Hariri."
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/mi...
Peer comment(s):
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Patrice
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ormiston
: like the suggestion but have only rarely had verbs hovering at the back of my tongue!! Your mouth sounds very full - do you have to hammer them out ?
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Probably a mixed metaphor. Or maybe not. The really slippery ones glide back from the tip of the tongue and hover at the back.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, Paul. "Hammer out" is the verb that was hovering just at the back of my tongue"
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Claire Cox
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Works in field
United Kingdom
French & German Technical Translations
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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thrashed out
perhaps? That's normally what they seem to use in such volatile situtions when everyone wants to stand their ground
Note from asker:
| Thanks Claire - it's never easy to choose between hammering and thrashing! |
Peer comment(s):
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Karen Stokes
: Or "finally thrashed out" perhaps?
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Thanks Karen - yes, that would work well
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9 mins
Emilie Naudin
Native in French
Works in field
Accuracy above all
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France) 
Works in: English to French
had a hard time concluding in...
La conférence de Bali "had a hard time concluding in" un principe, etc...
Juste une suggestion, peut-être que cela en apportera de meilleures...
Juste une suggestion, peut-être que cela en apportera de meilleures...
2 hrs
finally...after a struggle
not without a struggle; Finally managed; fought to obtain; finally battled it out...
2 hrs
albeit with difficulty, managed to...
with some borrowing from other suggestions
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-02-03 13:49:12 GMT)
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a bit arrogant there, the other sugg's with 3 confidence ratings sound fine to me too!
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-02-03 13:49:12 GMT)
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a bit arrogant there, the other sugg's with 3 confidence ratings sound fine to me too!
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painfully agreed to
or turn it round and finish with "was painfully agreed"
a much-contested declaration was painfully agreed. People get. cynical about international summits. What should those concerned with ...
www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2005/e_alert/WorldSummit2005OECD....
Instead, they look for ways to make deals and trade away the contents of a carefully and some would tell you, painfully-agreed-to Master Plan. ...
www.sdearthtimes.com/et1099/et1099s2.html - 15k
mainly for its watered-down outcome document, which was painfully agreed on the eve of the summit. ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0140673605673977
To approve the treaty embodying the new constitution for the European Union painfully agreed to by 25 nations' leaders after a plan was drawn up by ..
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/05/28/france.eu.oak...
a much-contested declaration was painfully agreed. People get. cynical about international summits. What should those concerned with ...
www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2005/e_alert/WorldSummit2005OECD....
Instead, they look for ways to make deals and trade away the contents of a carefully and some would tell you, painfully-agreed-to Master Plan. ...
www.sdearthtimes.com/et1099/et1099s2.html - 15k
mainly for its watered-down outcome document, which was painfully agreed on the eve of the summit. ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0140673605673977
To approve the treaty embodying the new constitution for the European Union painfully agreed to by 25 nations' leaders after a plan was drawn up by ..
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/05/28/france.eu.oak...
Peer comment(s):
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Ben Gaia
5 hrs
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Thanks Ben!
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Silvia Brandon-Pérez
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hi Sylvia ... thanks!
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Andrée Goreux
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thanks agoreux!
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Gacela20
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thanks Gacela :-0
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18 mins
achieved with difficulty, (through sweat and tears?), with a hard to reach consensus
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Note added at 1 hr (2008-02-03 12:46:02 GMT)
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achieved with great difficulty as suggested by Caroline.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-02-03 14:05:40 GMT)
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Yes labouriously might fit.
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Note added at 1 hr (2008-02-03 12:46:02 GMT)
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achieved with great difficulty as suggested by Caroline.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-02-03 14:05:40 GMT)
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Yes labouriously might fit.
Peer comment(s):
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Caroline Vignard (X)
: with (great?) difficuly, finally achieved ....
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yes, thank you Caroline.
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Discussion
I doubt it would fit here!