Dec 25, 2008 07:34
15 yrs ago
English term

it vs. he

English Bus/Financial Law: Contract(s)
How should I refer to a seller/buyer (a legal entity) in the contract?
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Discussion

Tony M Dec 25, 2008:
That's only a tiny handful of very specific cases I'm afraid Google bears little or no statistical weight when there are so very few answers; your source string is too specific to catch all the many other formulations that need to be taken into account to get an overall view of usage in a given context or not.
Andrey Rykov (asker) Dec 25, 2008:
And if I need to use a possessive pronoun, i.e. the Seller shall notify the Buyer of his (?) decision?

Responses

+3
1 hr
English term (edited): gender-neutral 3rd person singular pronoun
Selected

they

Although purists deprecate it, there is increasing use of the 'plural' pronoun (which is inherently gender-neutral) even in the singular. However, it does need careful re-working of the sentences to make sure there are no discordances. In things like contracts etc., in most cases it can be made to fit quite well.

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-12-25 09:27:05 GMT)
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You can equally well use the possessive pronoun 'their'; the greatest difficulty arises if you need to use 'themselves', which begins to sound silly in the singular; there is a tendency to say 'themself' when using it in the singular, but I think this leads to some eqaully outlandish expressions (apart from being patently illogical)!
Peer comment(s):

agree Paula Vaz-Carreiro
18 mins
Thanks, Paula! Season's Greetings to you!
agree Phong Le
1 hr
Thanks, Phong Le!
agree Noni Gilbert Riley : Quite. And I believe this will become more and more common. Agree with your further comment on Sven's - a combo of your solutions should work.
1 day 2 hrs
Thanks, Noni!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you, Tony and all!"
+4
6 mins

he

traditionally it's "him".
Peer comment(s):

agree Alexandra Taggart : It verses (against) him
23 mins
Thank you for your remark, Alexondra! :) Merry X-mas! :)
agree Tony M : 'it' cannot be used under any circumstances. A gender-neutral term would be preferred, but various sources do accept 'he' in a context of contracts
59 mins
Thank you, Tony! :) Read your very interesting answer. In a context of contracts they use "he" predominanly. Merry X-mas! :)
agree Polangmar
10 hrs
Thank you, Polangmar! :) Merry X-mas! :)
agree Tina Vonhof (X)
14 hrs
Thank you, Tina! :) Merry X-mas! :)
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+5
19 mins

the Seller, the Buyer

Neither; use 'the Seller' resp. 'the Buyer'.

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-12-25 09:26:14 GMT)
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Clarification, your own example:
'the Seller shall notify the Buyer of the Seller's decision'
Peer comment(s):

agree Gary D : agree.. gender neutral, but you may need to go further, depending on the depth of the legal contract (simplistic nature), Property owner and property aquirer
34 mins
Thank you very much!
agree Demi Ebrite
56 mins
THank you very much!
agree Paula Vaz-Carreiro
1 hr
Thank you very much!
neutral Tony M : Agree with the g/n principle, but there really are times when this simply isn't a viable solution. / Your own clarification is a glaring example: repeating 'the Seller' like that makes it sound as if it's a DIFFFERENT 'Seller'
2 hrs
Show me an example!
agree Carmen Schultz
3 hrs
Thank you very much!
agree Noni Gilbert Riley : Yes, with Tony's solution for where this really won't work.
1 day 3 hrs
It always works. There is a sound reason for the 'hereinafter' sentence you'll find in the beginning of all British contracts!
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