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Poll: ELIS2023 confirms the language industry is a women-dominated industry, which is the main reason?
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Lieven Malaise
Lieven Malaise
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? Nov 22, 2024

What is ELIS2023?

ipv
Ester Vidal
Lingua 5B
expressisverbis
Yaotl Altan
Susanna Martoni
Maria Laura Curzi
 
IrinaN
IrinaN
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"Which is the main reason" for what? Nov 22, 2024

And +1, Lieven.

Lieven Malaise
Matthias Brombach
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Matthias Brombach
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Which.. Nov 22, 2024

...of what, please?

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Susanna Martoni
IrinaN
 
Novian Cahyadi
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Für ELIS Nov 22, 2024

Lieven Malaise wrote:
What is ELIS2023?


Apparently, it's the 2023 European Language Industry Survey.

https://euatc.org/industry-surveys/2023-european-language-industry-survey-is-launched/

Here's a funny tidbit. When I looked it up without advanced parameters, the search engine thought I was looking for Elvis. lul


Lieven Malaise
P.L.F. Persio
Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
expressisverbis
Maria Laura Curzi
 
Justin Peterson
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Women study foreign languages in disproportionate numbers Nov 22, 2024

When I was a Spanish professor, I was struck by the fact that women accounted for some 75%-80% of Spanish majors in our department.
Whether this pattern is for reasons related to their innate aptitudes, or for sociocultural reasons, or a mix of the two, I do not know.
I suspect it is both.
In our still-sexist societies, men, I think men are encouraged to go into the most lucrative careers possible, to be breadwinners, while women are encouraged to pursue more "alternative" ac
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When I was a Spanish professor, I was struck by the fact that women accounted for some 75%-80% of Spanish majors in our department.
Whether this pattern is for reasons related to their innate aptitudes, or for sociocultural reasons, or a mix of the two, I do not know.
I suspect it is both.
In our still-sexist societies, men, I think men are encouraged to go into the most lucrative careers possible, to be breadwinners, while women are encouraged to pursue more "alternative" academic and career paths.
At the same time, there is also evidence that women are better language learners, and have stronger language skills, in general.
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Matthieu Ledoré
Jorge Payan
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Victoria Faucher
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Rachel Waddington
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Sexism Nov 22, 2024

Women still do a disproportionate share of domestic labour and caring duties. It's easier to do this if you can work from home.

Working from home also allows women an environment where they are not constantly harrassed and talked down to by men.


P.L.F. Persio
Justin Peterson
Giovana Zaltron
Becca Resnik
Simon Turner
Peter Simon
Claudio Machado Junior
 
Baran Keki
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A moot point going forward Nov 22, 2024

AI has no gender, but this doesn't change the fact that it's a c**t.

Alex Lichanow
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Chris Spurgin
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Plays to women's strengths Nov 22, 2024

Women are higher in verbal aptitude, more interested in foreign languages.

ipv
Christel Zipfel
neilmac
 
Edith van der Have
Edith van der Have
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Invisibility/low status/low pay Nov 22, 2024

A variety of reasons, but I think the above-mentioned are important ones. Though it's hard to know what's the cause and result - it could also be the other way around.

 
Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
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Other Nov 22, 2024

I have no idea why this industry is female-dominated (probably all of the above or a combination of some). I suppose that for many women the fact that they can work from home (long before teleworking became a fixture in peoples' everyday lexicon) has been a big attraction, although in my case I started by working in-house as staff translator. I also know that at a certain point in my life it was much easier to find a job as a translator than as an economist...

 
Edith van der Have
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Linguistic talent Nov 22, 2024

Chris Spurgin wrote:

Women are higher in verbal aptitude, more interested in foreign languages.

The differences in linguistic aptitude between men and women are minimal, hardly statistically significant at the population level, and not a reliable predictor of individual abilities.


Becca Resnik
P.L.F. Persio
Christine Andersen
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Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
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@All Nov 22, 2024

Although not very relevant in statistical terms, it might be interesting to know what the proportion of women and men is among Proz.com members...

Becca Resnik
Victoria Faucher
 
IrinaN
IrinaN
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We either know or can easily find that Nov 22, 2024

Novian Cahyadi wrote:

Lieven Malaise wrote:
What is ELIS2023?


Apparently, it's the 2023 European Language Industry Survey.



It's just that there are a few desperate fighters here, myself including, trying to explain that it is... hmm... not nice to meet and greet the reader and the discussion participant with acronyms and codes, especially for professionals who themselves would swear left an right on all languages known to them, when they get a source text stuffed with undeciphered abbreviations.

Elementary, Watson.


Rachel Waddington
Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
Lieven Malaise
Maria Laura Curzi
Daryo
 
Liena Vijupe
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Other Nov 22, 2024

Cultural and societal expectations which lead to higher female enrollment in humanities (and other related factors), I'd say.

Although before joining the "language industry" I studied philosophy which was very male-dominated at the time. I don't know what conclusions to draw from that, except that I'm glad for the income I've had thanks to my translation work.


Rachel Waddington
 
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