Glossary entry

Chinese汉语 term or phrase:

弄潮兒

English英语 translation:

pioneer

Added to glossary by Malgorzata Souffez
Oct 9, 2004 15:31
19 yrs ago
Chinese汉语 term

弄潮兒

Non-PRO Chinese汉语译成English英语 艺术/文学 艺术、工艺品、绘画 article about art history
交接點上的弄潮兒

it is a person who introduced occidental culture elements to China and therefore he is "交接點上的弄潮兒". What is the 弄潮兒"?

Discussion

chica nueva Oct 11, 2004:
Interesting. Thanks.
Non-ProZ.com Oct 11, 2004:
Usually I do translate into Chinese, or into Polish. This time I try translating Chinese into English. It is not my native toungue, but there will be someone verifying my translation. Since there are no Polish_Chinese dictionaries, I ALWAYS do 2 stage translation. That is why I am so grateful to all of you who help me.
chica nueva Oct 10, 2004:
Thanks Malgorzata. It was a great word. I wonder, do you translate Chinese to English or to another language? To do 2-stage translation would not be easy.
Non-ProZ.com Oct 10, 2004:
to Lesley McLachlan: can I say in English "a mine of terminology". You would be one. I will use all expressions you supplied, I'm afraid. Thank you.
Non-ProZ.com Oct 9, 2004:
thank you for this explanation.
By the way, is anyone using the ��Դ Ethymology dictionary in an electronic form or knows of a web site where such questions are explained? Please kindly tell me if you know of any.

Proposed translations

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Chinese汉语 term (edited): Ū����
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pioneer

avant-courier
Peer comment(s):

agree Wenjer Leuschel (X) : 冲在浪潮的尖端者
24分钟
Thx.
agree Ray Luo
24分钟
Thx.
agree chica nueva
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "thank you"
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Chinese汉语 term (edited): Ū����

vanguard leader

vanguard leader
Peer comment(s):

agree Wenjer Leuschel (X) : 冲在浪潮的尖端者
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thanks!
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Chinese汉语 term (edited): Ū����

Swimmer, (today may be equaled to) surfer; in very much extended sense "pioneer."

In this context, the extended sense of "pioneer" may be used. And I support our colleagues' interpretation.
But, ordinarily, the three Chinese characters do not mean pioneer, and are not customarily used in this sense. Literal translation would be the "boy(s) who plays with the waves or in the surf." The term connotes adventure, daring and pleasure. Originally, the term refers to the daring swimmers at the mouth of Qiantang River in Zhejiang province esp. when the high waves come in.
Peer comment(s):

agree chica nueva : great explanation. riding a new wave, swimming with/at the front of a new tide, out in front in the new era ...(in the 庆业集团那一段)
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Chinese汉语 term (edited): Ū����

pioneer

庆业集团
... 的方略,庆业集团北通大连、南及深圳、中守北京,在改革开放的大潮中勇作新时代的弄潮儿,
竭诚服务于中华民族复兴的伟大事业,虽不是一帆风顺 ... Qingye Group has been the pioneer
in the new era with its businesses expanding to Dalian in the North ...
www.qing-ye.com/dlqy/ - 7k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

=> leading the pack, out in front, daring innovator... (?)


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at the forefront, riding the cusp of change...(?)
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Chinese汉语 term (edited): Ū����

IMHO, "pioneer" for "弄潮儿" could be misleading.

■ 弄潮 ■1 在潮水里游水作戏。以钱塘弄潮最著名。又南宋临安风俗■八月观潮■少年百十为群■执旗泅水上■称弄潮之戏。参阅宋吴自牧《梦粱录・观潮》。 鲁迅 《呐喊・社戏》 :“这十多个少年■委实没有一个不会凫水的■而且两三个还是弄潮的好手。” 宋 苏辙 《竞渡》 诗 :“父老不知招屈恨■少年争作弄潮游。” 清 李渔 《蜃中楼・训女》 :“又何曾步出■湘手弄潮。” 宋 王谠 《唐语林・夙慧》 :“杭州端午■渡■於■塘弄潮。http://www.ewen.cc/books/hd20.asp

Thus "adventurer" would be close.

For Chinese etymological dictionary, you may want to get 《说文解字》 by 许慎 Check this: http://www.southcn.com/edu/newbook/ebook/xinshu6/20040601074...

This e-dictionary is most recommended: http://www.ewen.cc/books/hd20.asp

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Peer comment(s):

agree Francis Fine : superbly researched
32分钟
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