How the heck is "match discount" on MTPE a thing? 论题张贴者: Adieu
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Adieu 
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Isn't the entirety of MTPE at separate rates a "match discount" in it of itself? Like, literally?!
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| Don't understand the question. | Feb 12, 2021 |
I don't do MTPE so don't understand. Not sure in what format the client provides the file, if it's in source-target segments, perhaps if a segment repeats, that's a match. Not sure. You're talking about machine translation, right?
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In my specific case, MTPE looks like the exact same prepopulated segments in MemoQ.... except I guess the translation manager prepopulated them on their end? Or something...
Idk.
Except for the implication that somehow a larger percent of the prepopulated segments should be valid-ish, I really for the life of me can't tell how this is in any way different from translating with a CAT tool with a shared TM... except the inherent discount for it "being" MTPE
B... See more In my specific case, MTPE looks like the exact same prepopulated segments in MemoQ.... except I guess the translation manager prepopulated them on their end? Or something...
Idk.
Except for the implication that somehow a larger percent of the prepopulated segments should be valid-ish, I really for the life of me can't tell how this is in any way different from translating with a CAT tool with a shared TM... except the inherent discount for it "being" MTPE
But if the discount is BECAUSE a larger percentage of segments are populated with healthy matches, then isn't THAT basically the discount already?
Feels like a stacking of the same discount. "MTPE rates (= discount) because high match rate" AND "discount on rates for high matches" feel like mutually exclusive clauses, on account of being two ways to discount one and the same
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| | | | Samuel Murray
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Adieu wrote:
In my specific case, MTPE looks like the exact same prepopulated segments in MemoQ.... except I guess the translation manager prepopulated them on their end? Or something...
When doing pre-translation in MemoQ, there is the option to request machine translation. If you do not choose machine translation, only fuzzy matches from TMs will be inserted. If you do choose machine translation, then segments that have no fuzzy matches from TMs will be machine translated.
I'm not sure what effect this has on pricing, though. This would depend on the client's pricing grid, wouldn't it? Do you have the analysis with you? Can you share with us the categories that it contains?
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75-94% match 0.6x rate
95-100% match & repetitions 0.3x rate
101% >>> 0.0x rate
That last one, which afaik is memoq's way of calling repetitions following repetitions, is really annoying.
I just did one where the full rate was paid on just 10% of the wordcount. 5000 words, "2000 weighted". And they bundled 7 files in one purchase order to bypass my minimums. NOT HAPPY.
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[Edited at 2021... See more 75-94% match 0.6x rate
95-100% match & repetitions 0.3x rate
101% >>> 0.0x rate
That last one, which afaik is memoq's way of calling repetitions following repetitions, is really annoying.
I just did one where the full rate was paid on just 10% of the wordcount. 5000 words, "2000 weighted". And they bundled 7 files in one purchase order to bypass my minimums. NOT HAPPY.
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| | | | Samuel Murray
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Adieu wrote:
75-94% match 0.6x rate
95-100% match & repetitions 0.3x rate
101% >>> 0.0x rate
Okay, but this has nothing to do with MTPE. Is there a field that shows the discounts for machine translations? Or are you saying that some of the machine translations are shown as percentage matches?
That last one, which AFAIKis MemoQ's way of calling repetitions following repetitions, is really annoying.
These are called "in context matches", ICE matches, 101% matches, etc. by various CAT tools. They're not related to repetitions but to 100% matches. The idea is that if 100% matches in the TM that precedes and follows the current 100% match are identical to the previous and next segment in the document itself, then they more likely to be so reliable that less checking is required. Different CAT tools calculate them in different ways, but AFAIK MemoQ considers *only* the segment immediately prior and after the current segment (other CAT tools consider more segments than just the current three).
It is slightly odd that the agency pays nothing for 101% matches, but if that is so, you can simply filter them out and refuse to check them.
I just did one where the full rate was paid on just 10% of the wordcount. 5000 words, "2000 weighted".
If the full word count is 5000 and the weighted word count is 2000, and your full rate is $0.10 per word, then you should have been paid $200, not $50.
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I recently raised my MTPE rate for a client because when I quoted I didn't know that they would apply matches. They agreed to raise it and still send me jobs.
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Elena Feriani wrote:
I recently raised my MTPE rate for a client because when I quoted I didn't know that they would apply matches. They agreed to raise it and still send me jobs.
If it was in English, don't suppose you'd share a template for writing a successful request letter on the matter?
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Samuel Murray wrote:
If the full word count is 5000 and the weighted word count is 2000, and your full rate is $0.10 per word, then you should have been paid $200, not $50.
Only 10% of the text's total word count was billed at full rate (the rest being a mix of 0%, 30%, and 60%)
But given that my MTPE rate was naively already 50% discounted from my full price translation rate... managed a grand total of 91 bucks.
Not minimum wage, but pretty dang close. I feel dirty and somewhat violated.
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| | | | Elena Feriani
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Adieu wrote:
If it was in English, don't suppose you'd share a template for writing a successful request letter on the matter?
It was in Italian, Here is a machine translation by Deepl, with little editing . Good luck!
I would like to increase my MTPE rate to xx cents per word.
When I chose to set my rate at x cents per word I had not considered the "discounts" for repetitions and fuzzy matches applied by Company. Basically, at x cents per word I'm not quite reaching my desired hourly rate, so I'd like to set it at xx cents per word, even though it will mean receiving fewer jobs.
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主题发起人 | How far did you raise it? | Feb 12, 2021 |
Elena Feriani wrote: Adieu wrote:
If it was in English, don't suppose you'd share a template for writing a successful request letter on the matter? It was in Italian, Here is a machine translation by Deepl, with little editing . Good luck! I would like to increase my MTPE rate to xx cents per word. When I chose to set my rate at x cents per word I had not considered the "discounts" for repetitions and fuzzy matches applied by Company. Basically, at x cents per word I'm not quite reaching my desired hourly rate, so I'd like to set it at xx cents per word, even though it will mean receiving fewer jobs.
+what %? And what % of your translation rate is your new MTPE rate?
| | | | Elena Feriani
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Adieu wrote:
+what %? And what % of your translation rate is your new MTPE rate?
My MTPE rate was 65% of my translation rate and they agreed to raise it to 75%. I had asked for 85% but we settled for 75%.
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